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Exclusive: Interview with Ibe Kachikwu, former Minister of State for Petroleum Resources

Kachikwu talks African Oil and Gas, COVID19 and the future of energy.



Ibe Kachikwu, former Minister of State for petroleum

Diversification has been a topical issue discussed in several fora, especially when the global oil price war began few months ago.

Though oil may have done more good than evil for Nigeria, the Federal Government’s total reliance on it is a disadvantage that cannot be denied, even as the said price war was worsened by the advent of Coronavirus disease.

For any discerning government, this is the time to go back to the drawing board and restrategise on how to look into other viable sector of the economy, especially Agriculture.

In an exclusive interview with the former Minister of State for Petroleum, Dr. Ibe Kachikwu, explained that some of the disadvantages of oil and gas are that it creates a lot of pollution, shutting down a lot of farms and sometimes distracting young people from careers, because everyone wants a quick oil return.

He emphasized that Agriculture should be one of the focal points of this country because of the endowed massive landmass. He admitted that President Muhammadu Buhari has intensely refocused Government investment attention on agriculture and infrastructure.

Kachikwu offers insights into what we need to do as a nation. According to him, Nigeria needs to get people back to farms, build modern infrastructure, while it needs to step back from the model of controlling the investment opportunities in the oil sector and allow the private sector to take the lead on harnessing these opportunities.

As a past President of OPEC, do you think the cutting of oil production is the lasting solution to the fall in oil prices? If so why, but if not, what further step should be taken?

When oil production is cut, it could be for a number of reasons. In the immediate situation, we have oil supply hovering between 15 and 17 million barrels in excess of world demand. This is because industries, airline services, and the general world economy have been shut down as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. Even without a policy, oil prices had to be cut down. Realistically speaking, the cut in production was necessary, indeed almost inevitable.

A long-term solution to this should be a regional focus. Each country must look within its immediate region to see how it can satisfy those immediate demands so that at least oil can go to places that are shorter in distance and much more dependable as markets.

With oil prices falling to unprecedented lows globally, will the price ever get back to the initial $57 benchmark as stated in Nigeria’s 2020 budget?

It doesn’t matter what happens, oil is not likely to get to $57 a barrel this year. We are likely going to see a rebound in terms of prices over the first or second quarter of next year. However, it is even doubtful whether we will get to the $57 benchmark early next year, for many reasons.


For example, a lot of countries with huge financial resources like China and America built huge initial stockpiles of oil in the initial months of COVID-19 when prices were low.  So, even when the pandemic is over, there is going to be a lot of pressure on prices.

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With the triple whammy of low demand, high supply, and minimum storage of crude, what are the underlying effects of these on local producers?

We are suffering in terms of storage and because of that, a lot of our oil still lie onboard vessels that haven’t been able to be discharged. Storage capacity all over the world is full, but Nigeria has been particularly badly hit because we have very limited storage inland.

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We need to address storage and create storage obligations among oil producers. We need to address the issue of diversification in terms of our product lines into petrochemicals and gas, so that we get a lot more out of oil. We also need to massively grow our refining capacity so that there is a consumer pattern that is even locally based.

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It costs Saudi Arabia $2.8 to make a barrel of oil – the lowest production cost in the world. With the gloomy oil price of Nigeria’s bonny light, will it be a case of reducing production cost for Nigeria?

The first thing to do if you’re not getting a good return on your investment, in terms of cost versus pricing, is to shut down such products and look for fields that have better margins, to enable you to compete.

Above all, when all this is over, we will need to continue to address the cost element, I think that was one of the high points of some of the policies that we made when I was in Government. Under the leadership of the President, we began to focus very heavily on the cost of production and set benchmarks.

We achieved about $15pb cost of production in some fields and we were aiming over the next 2 to 3 years to pull the cost of production for most fields down to about $10-$11pb and thereafter go downwards from there.

There is a need to create rewards for those producing at very low cost; right now there is none in place. If there are incentives for producers who meet certain benchmarks on cost reduction, everyone will follow suit. Simultaneously, there should also be a penalty for producers who produce at a very high cost.

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Many Nigerians feel that the biggest problem faced by the Federal Government is the inability to refine crude in Nigeria. Dangote refinery has been at the forefront of this for a number of years. What benefits would that provide for the FG and every stakeholder in the oil value chain, once it begins operation?

I won’t focus on just Dangote refinery, although that is probably the most positive one we have in the country right now; I will focus on all the refineries. If all the refineries in this country, including Dangote refinery, were to come on stream, some of the issues we have dealt with in the questions asked so far relating to storage, consumption, and pricing, will reduce substantially because we will not be selling crude oil as crude oil. Rather, we will be selling refined petroleum products so there will be value-added.


We will stop importing refined products. We will also be able to rejuvenate the downstream sector of the oil industry, which is right now almost abandoned. Nigeria will be the real energy King of Africa in terms of sending refined petroleum products to African nations. This will lead to job creation, improvement in technology; it will challenge our private sector investors.

Do you think the energy market will ever return to the old mode of operations, as many African petroleum-producing nations have been forced to review their budgets downward due to COVID-19? 

Hopefully, I pray the COVID-19 pandemic does not last long and that it does not irreversibly affect the oil market. Although we cannot tell when the current COVID-19 will end, the global scientific projection is that it will buy about the 1st quarter of next year. What this does for us, if we use the time well, is that it will help us intensely refocus our attention to other sectors apart from the petroleum sector, and invest massively in mechanized agriculture, services, tourism, etc.


The oil and gas sector has its disadvantages too. It is creating a lot of pollution, shutting down a lot of farms and sometimes distracting young people from careers, because everyone wants a quick oil return. Agriculture should be one of the focal points of this country because we have massive landmass.


President Buhari has intensely refocused Government investment attention on agriculture and infrastructure. We need to get people back to farms. We need to build modern infrastructure. The government will need to step back from the model of controlling the investment opportunities in the oil sector and allow the private sector to take the lead on harnessing these opportunities. The government can then sit back to enjoy its royalties and taxes.

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You want to serve as a visiting professor in institutions across the world. What do you hope to take away and accomplish from the experience? 


My drive is simply to share experiences that are useful to those who are coming up the block. I modestly hope to share personal experiences, as I’m privileged to have worked with the private sector for over 25 years and the public sector for about four years. I think one owes it to society at large to share one’s knowledge. This is one of the factors that propel my writing. I was writing before I went to the government and when I was in government, I continued.

I try to look at everything I do and how to document experiences. It helps the next person that will take your desk to do better than you by virtue of the information at their fingertips.

What private ventures are you into now?

One passion that I have is intellectual, so going into institutions to share thoughts and learn along with people, as talked about already, is part of my ventures.

Another is Afric Energy, a venture that we are floating and hoping to grow. The whole idea is to look at Africa across the board and decide what kind of consultancy models we can bring to address some of the immediate problems that we see across the African oil sector.

Having served as both the President of OPEC and three-time President of APPO, I aim to work with some of my former African petroleum sector Ministers who are still there to help them solidify the plans that they have.

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As a lawyer in the Petroleum Industry, you have stated in the past that Nigeria needs to go back to the drawing board to find the right approach to the sector. What approaches, in your opinion, can we take?

One approach is regulatory. We haven’t been able to pass some key bills; for example, the “Petroleum Industry Bill.” The time has come to focus attention on this because the absence of an adequate regulatory environment creates uncertainties among investors. I am hoping that during this second tenure of President Buhari, the attention will be on passing the PIB in whatever form that they believe is best for the country. A lot of work has been done in the last 2 Assemblies, and it is now time to bring this to a conclusion.

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The second approach is to set policies that create a competitive environment in the energy sector. By this, I mean that we need to diversify investment into petrochemicals, refineries, and creating necessary storage infrastructure.

The third and final is to begin our plan for the heydays of oil. It is clear that oil production as is seen today will not be there forever. The challenges posed by new technology, environmental regulatory controls, global consumption behavioral patterns, and coming new world economic order makes it imperative for us to begin to investigate an economic model that is not completely dependent on oil. This is the drawing board that we all have to focus on.


Abiola has spent about 14 years in journalism. His career has covered some top local print media like TELL Magazine, Broad Street Journal, The Point Newspaper.The Bloomberg MEI alumni has interviewed some of the most influential figures of the IMF, G-20 Summit, Pre-G20 Central Bank Governors and Finance Ministers, Critical Communication World Conference.The multiple award winner is variously trained in business and markets journalism at Lagos Business School, and Pan-Atlantic University. You may contact him via email - [email protected]

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Chad’s President Deby dies of injuries suffered on the frontlines, as son takes over

The President had visited the frontlines to share his election victory with the soldiers before the unfortunate incident.



President Idriss Deby of Chad has died of injuries suffered on the frontlines when some terrorists attacked the army. The President had visited the frontlines to share his election victory with the soldiers before the unfortunate incident.

The departure of the newly re-elected President was disclosed by the AFP News Agency on Tuesday through its Twitter handle.

It tweeted, “#UPDATE Chad’s newly re-elected President Idriss Deby Itno, in power for three decades, died Tuesday of injuries while fighting rebels in the north of the Sahel country, the army says.”

Meanwhile, a four-star general who is a son of Chad’s slain president Idriss Deby Itno will replace him at the head of a military council, the army announced Tuesday.

“A military council has been set up headed by his son, General Mahamat Idriss Deby Itno,” the army’s spokesman, General Azem Bermandoa Agouna, said on state radio, shortly after the announcement that the newly re-elected president had died of wounds while fighting rebels in the north of Chad.

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Elon Musk loses an estimated $6bn after a Tesla car accident killed two people

Elon Musk’s net worth dipped by $6 billion following a tragic Tesla car accident that killed two people.



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The second richest man in the world, Elon Musk, witnessed his wealth shed an estimated $6bn after a Tesla car was involved in an accident that led to the death of two people.

Tesla stocks dropped by 3.8% after the news of the crash went mainstream. The resultant effect on Elon Musk’s wealth was a $5.71bn loss in a single day.

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The Accident

Two men lost their lives on Saturday night in Houston when their 2019 Tesla model car slammed into a tree. Police authorities on sight claimed the car might have been on autopilot due to the sitting position of the corpses.

They also struggled to put out the fire from the Tesla car and even called Tesla for help. The death of the two men has sparked a heated argument between Tesla and its critics. Autopilot or not?

Although police officers’ assertion that the car may have been on autopilot remains unconfirmed, it has raised serious uncertainty about the safety of Tesla’s autopilot feature and Tesla’s critics are not backing down on this.

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Elon Musk reacts

Elon Musk has reacted to the news, insisting that the autopilot feature in the crashed vehicle was not enabled. According to him, the Wall Street Journal’s coverage of the accident was not professional.


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What you should know

Elon Musk is now worth $183bn following the recent drop. He closed the gap on Amazon’s Jeff Bezos to $4bn early last week. The gap has widened to $14bn today.

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